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Steven Frischling, aka: Fish, is globe hopping professional photographer, airline emerging media consultant working with large global airlines and founder of The Travel Strategist. Fish has racked up more than 1,000,000 miles since he started to track his mileage in 2005.

Fish's travel tends to be less than leisurely, including flying from New York to Basrah, Iraq, for six hours; Hong Kong for eight hours, Kuwait City for two hours and traveling around the world in 3.5 days to shoot a series of photo assignments in 4 cities and 4 countries on 3 separate continents.

Fish grew up at the end of New York's JFK International Airport's Runway 4R/22L, which probably explains his enjoyment of watching planes, fly overhead. When not shooting photos or traveling Fish designs camera bags, hones is expertise on airline security and spends his time at home cheering for the Red Sox with his 3 kids 102 yards from the ocean.

Dear Dr. Rosenberg, Jetblue Didn’t Throw You Off For Being Jewish, They Threw You Off For Being Racist … NEXT

A week ago, on the 7th of July, as Jetblue Flight 454 prepared to depart from Gate C12, at West Palm Beach International Airport, a conflict arose between Lisa Rosenberg, M.D., a Jewish doctor from New York, seated in seat 7E and woman identified as a Palestinian in seat 9C.

On the 10th of July the Palm Beach Post published “Woman kicked off plane at PBIA after argument about Israel conflict “ in which the article states that that Dr. Rosenberg stated the Palestinian woman in seat 9C used racial slurs, threatened her daughter and Dr. Rosenberg is quoted as saying the incident was an “ugly, racially driven altercation” and that she “was completely outraged that I would be asked to leave a plane, being a Jew” …

 … however …

… prior to Dr. Rosenberg’s statements to the Palm Beach Post the Jetblue flight attendant at the center of this incident filed her report that tells a much different story of the events as they unfolded on board Flight 454.

The initial internal report and final internal reports, both filed prior to the Palm Beach Post story, which I have been able to read in their entirely, and then verify, both squarely paint Dr. Rosenberg as the sole instigator of the events on board Flight 454. Furthermore both internal reports of the incident clearly lay out Dr. Rosenberg as the person who was in the midst of spewing hateful comments towards the Palestinian passenger in seat 9C, not vise versa.

The flight attendant’s reports states that the passengers in seats 12C and 11A were gesturing for her to quickly come to the front of the cabin during the boarding process, and began pleading with her to calm the situation between Dr. Rosenberg in seat 7E and the Palestinian woman in 9C.

The official internal report goes on to state that the flight attendant witnessed Dr. Rosenberg accuse the woman in 9C of being a “Palestinian murderer” and that “ her people are all murders and that they murder children,” while Dr. Rosenberg was attempting move through the cabin and position herself physically closer to the woman in Seat 9C.

Additional passengers on board Flight 454 continued to express concern for the their safety as Dr. Rosenberg continued to rant, even after being instructed by the flight attendant to cease her engagement with the woman in seat 9C, at which time the cabin crew requested a Complaint Resolution Official from the airline be contacted to board the aircraft, and Dr. Rosenberg was informed of FAM 2-13, G PROHIBITION OF DISCRIMINATION, G.1 Race, Creed, or Colour, which says ” JetBlue provides equal service to all passengers regardless of race,creed, or colour.” 

The official internal reports go on to state Dr. Rosenberg continued to openly verbalize offensive and inappropriate language while ranting about Gaza and the Palestinians.

Upon arrival of Jetblue’s Complaint Resolution Official the crew, including the Captain, needed to make a determination regarding regulation FAM 7-4, A.3.1 On The Ground, which lays out whether of not the removal of a passenger in necessary for the reasonable safety and comfort of other passengers.

As the Complaint Resolution Official began to speak directly with Dr. Rosenberg, she began to not only continue to verbally attack the woman in seat 9C, but openly imply that the woman had explosives in her bag and intended to blow up the aircraft in flight.

At this time Dr. Rosenberg launched in to a familiar rant flight attendant are accustomed to, threatening to make sure the flight attendant would be fired as she was removed from the aircraft and met on the jetway by officers from the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Department. 

… through all of this, Jetblue Flight 454 managed to push off the gate only four minutes late and arrive at New York’s JFK International Airport’s Terminal 5 Gate 25 10 minutes early.

Now … of course the moral of this story is this … and I say this as a Jewish guy from New York … folks … we’re all in it together.

You cannot judge someone by their religion or their nationality and people need to stop blaming religious persecution for being removed from flights when in fact they were removed based upon their own actions.   Jetblue’s internal reports lay out an exceptionally detailed accounting of the incident, with multiple witnesses to the incident and it would seem by all accounts Dr. Lisa Rosenberg, M.D., was out of line and spewing all the hate towards one passenger.  When a passenger is verbally abusive towards others on the aircraft and proceeds to position themselves physically closer to a person they have picked a fight with, they should be removed from the aircraft. This is not a religious or racial issue; this is a safety and security issue.

Happy Flying … except Dr. Rosenberg, may I suggest renting a car and driving by yourself next time.

@flyingwithfish 

132 Responses

  1. Thank you for your thoughts..We are in one world. Let’s treat everyone equally.

  2. Thank you.

  3. You’ve made a terrible mistake. Your story picks up with the arrival of the flight attendant, but does not make mention of any of the words exchanged prior. I’m not saying I know what happened either. The reality is that Dr. Rosenberg claimed that many things were said by this Palestinian woman prior to the flight attendant’s intervention. The title of your article, and your assumption of racism are both unfounded and intellectually dishonest.

  4. Certainly any passenger minding their own business has the expectation to travel in peace, comfort and without harassment. And not having been on the flight I will not comment whose version is accurate. From the above we do not know what triggered Dr. Rosenberg to start ranting. It is possible the passenger in 9C may have made the three finger salute, a symbol of approval for the murder of the three Israeli Jewish Teenagers or some other subtle Anti Semitic display that others did not see or of course the flight attendant just plain lied (unlikely but cannot necessarily be ruled out)
    As I do not know the passenger in 9C I cannot judge her character however it is not unusual of anti Israel/ Anti Semites to use others’ decency, morality and sensitivities against them so that a slight comment or gesture that the Dr. saw but the others did not could be the cause. Just because the Flight Attendant did not report a trigger does not mean one was absent as Dr. Rosenberg to go off by just seeing the other passenger is questionable as fact.

  5. On the other hand, regardless of how intemperate Dr. Rosenberg ended up being, it’s her contention that the confrontations was initiated by the Palestinian Arab passenger, *before the flight attendant arrived*. Therefore the flight attendant’s report is inevitably going to be silent on that matter.

    Not taking any sides here, just pointing out that your blog post is drawing a conclusion based on only part of what transpired.

  6. Why are you so quick to side with the palestenian? ? Where did you get all your facts? Did you speak with Dr. Rosenberg? The Palestenian woman? I fly a lot and it is downright NAUSEATING how the airline crews are always SO OVERLY accomadating to the MUSLIMS DRESSSED IN THEIR SCARY Muslim garb where you dont know if the person is male or female. When will we Jews ever learn that our liberalism gets us nowhere???? They always STOP me and touch my skirt, my hair and the fully Garbed Muslims just sail through the securty. They marched us ALL into the gas chambers….even the ones were loyal to Deutschland. You never see Muslims defending us. Pathetic.

  7. I’d like to know what side of the fence this reporter belongs to. Seems like lots of fluff and hyperbole and very little factual information-

  8. “Dr. Lisa Rosenberg says that after another female passenger — who identified herself as a Palestinian — called her a “Zionist pig,” JetBlue flight crew ordered her to leave the plane as it stood on the ground at Palm Beach International Airport Monday.”

    lol.

  9. I agree with the most of your points; however the question is how did the Dr. find out that the passenger in 9C was Palestinian??? You would not know that I was Jewish unless I stated that to you; therefore, and who was the flight attendant?? That’s also part of the bottom line. I will never support anyone even my own kind as they disgrace themselves and others. However, the question is how did she know???!!!

  10. I hadn’t heard about the original story, but great job reporting on the actual facts so the truth gets out there.

  11. I would like to see this report. How is it that you were able to see it when Dr. Rosenberg herself was not able to? Does JetBlue release incident reports to the public?

  12. Rachel,

    As a matter of journalistic policy I do not publish confidential reports in their entirety when a source has asked me to not do so. . I came into possession of the initial and final internal crew reports because I cover aviation security and once Dr. Rosenberg mentioned that the passenger in 9C had explosives this story stepped into my domain.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  13. Natalie,

    I am unsure how Dr. Rosenberg came to know the passenger in 9C, who has confirmed she is in fact Palestinian, was Palestinian. I do know that the initial and final report indicate that the whole exchange was one sides, which takes information from the passengers in rows 11 and 12 who witnessed the entire exchange start to finish.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  14. Dear Concerned Jew

    It would seem no passengers on board flight 454 witnessed any actions from the woman in 9C towards Dr. Rosenberg. There were no reports of the woman, identified as the Palestinian Woman said anything to Dr. Rosenberg to instigate any of this.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  15. Yehudis

    The side of the fence I lean towards is that coming from multiple incident reports that factor in information from the flight attendant, complaint resolution official, the captain and other passengers. Those passengers didn’t hear or see the woman in 9C do anything towards Dr. Rosenberg, yet they all witnessed an on going situation involving Dr. Rosenberg ending in her stating the woman in 9C had explosives and planned to blow up the plane. At that time Dr. Rosenberg poses a threat to the flight and frankly I am surprised she was not interviewed by the JTTF after that comment.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  16. Vicky,

    Why do you find Muslim traditional attire scary? Oh and as a Jew who has worked with Islamic clients, and within Islamic nations, I have been defended by Muslims quite a few times.

    I encourage you to expand your horizons and meet new people.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  17. Craig,

    My story picks up where? Where passengers who witnessed the entire exchange found Dr. Rosenberg to be out of control ranting and seeking to physically position herself closer to the woman in 9C? The flight attendant was called over by people present from start to finish and they were the ones concerned initially with Dr. Rosenberg’s behaviour.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  18. Are there any actual -recordings- of these events?
    Witnesses are a notoriously unreliable source of information.

  19. Thank you for posting the truth we support you and your kind heart. We need to combat ignorance and blind anger by speaking out.
    I am deeply saddened to see how people responded to this incident. It sounds like this woman attacked on the grounds of her cultural background. An airline would not make a brash judgement unless it was to protect the safety of the passengers. It has nothing to do with her religion but sounds like her bad behavior which has spawned even more hateful posts. I am so sad at how angry and ignorant people can be.

  20. Of course, none of us were on the plane, or know what was said (or not said) before the flight attendant arrived, or can discern what is in the heart or mind of another. Everyone involved seems in agreement, however, that Dr. Rosenberg continued to use loud and intemperate language after being asked to quiet down and take her seat. It doesn’t matter what your religion or nationality is, or why you’re upset to begin with — if the flight crew says you need to sit down and relax so that the plane can take off, you either take the hint or expect to be “disinvited” from the passenger list.

  21. Thank you for writing this. I have to say also, some of the comments here are quite troubling, particularly that of Vicky–glad you responded to that.

    Still, your account leaves some things seriously unexplained. If the woman in 9C was not witnessed to have said ANYTHING to Dr. Rosenberg, clearly those witnesses had missed something. From your account, it sounds like Dr. Rosenberg was indeed disobeying flight crew’s requests to respect the other passenger, but it is EXTREMELY unlikely that it was so completely one-sided. It just doesn’t sound like a full story. I am willing to accept that some words were exchanged that were initially mild, and Dr. Rosenberg took off on a screaming tirade beyond what the other passenger did, but to say no one witnessed ANYTHING from the other passenger makes the story suspect.

    You also didn’t respond to the comment above, asking how Dr. Rosenberg would even know the person was Palestinian. Dr. Rosenberg gave a plausible account of how the other person knew SHE was Jewish, but if that person had been completely silent, how would anyone know her nationality?

    Also, I find it hard to believe you’d accept the airline’s report as the final version here. Clearly, they have an interest in justifying their decision to remove the passenger. I’m not saying they were wrong. But they’re a party to this disputatious event. They’re not the only ones whose words carry weight.

    If you told me YOU interviewed other passengers, I’d be more willing to accept it. But you’re only giving us the airline’s version of the other passenger’s testimony. That’s not a very sound way of judging the whole situation.

    I look forward to any follow-up posts on this story.

  22. This whole story conflicts in every detail with information an FB friend of mine received when he telephoned Jet Blue and actually gives the answer to the question, ‘How did the Jewish woman know the woman in seat 9C was Palestinian?’ According to the company the altercation took place at the seat of the Jewish woman. In other words it was the Palestinian woman who left her seat in order to initiate the altercation. As someone else has pointed out, you began your report with the arrival of the flight attendant. So people witnessed the altercation, but not previous to the Palestinian woman leaving her seat – a not very likely scenario. Incidentally your dismissive remark about being scared of Muslim garb…. Jews don’t blow up planes. Muslims do, on a regular basis. Perhaps it’s you who should get out more.

  23. I said “So people witnessed the altercation, but not previous to the Palestinian woman leaving her seat – a not very likely scenario….”

    I meant to say “but not previous to the arrival of the flight attendant – a not very likely scenario.”

  24. Hy Flying Fish/
    HI. My horizons are very expanded. I grew up in Detroit with a very LARGE overwhelming ARAB population. I try to judge people individually, but unfortunately, I cannot say the same about others. I was told by an older Egyptian man some years ago that Muslims/Arabs are taught to hate Jews from the “womb” He was born and grew up before there was a State of Israel. Yes, I find the Muslim garb scary when all you can see are a set of eyes and you dont know who is underneath the veil and the robes. If I remember correctly, they are the ones for all the TERROR going on in the world. I see Jews like you defending Muslims all the time but sadly but I dont see the same in return. If I understand correctly, we are all infidels and unless you are just like them, you are doomed. . But I guess you are also doomed unless you are THEIR type of muslim….please check out the news today for Afganistan, Nigera, Syria, etc. Lets face it, they LOVE the body count and in our PC world we have to bend over backwards to accomodate the bad guys. I personally know Dr. Rosenberg….do you know any of the players in this or do you want your buddies in the Arab countries just to think what a swell guy you are?

  25. Where did you read the report? I am just curious because if others could view it too, a few rumors about the situation could be dispelled. I feel like in this situation reading that report is the most reliable source of evidence in this case, as it was info gathered from all people invovled and witness to the incident.

  26. I know Lisa Rosenberg personally, and this story that you paint is quite believable.

    She is a very difficult person and a motor-mouth.

  27. “I personally know Dr. Rosenberg”

    Aha! No bias there, then. And you sound like your views echo Dr. Rosenberg’s to a T. Do you attack Muslims on planes too?

  28. Should clarify – I was speaking to Vicky, not John.

  29. A doctor? SMH! How repulsive and good on Jetblue for standing up for what is right.

  30. Stephen,
    I do have to agree with David, Bernard and Craig. Your article does state that a couple of passengers in rows 11 and 12 gestured for the flight attendant to come calm the situation between the doctor and the Palestinian woman. No where does it say what was said prior to the arrival of the flight attendant.
    How did the doctor know that the woman was Palestinian? We don’t know for certain what the triggers were that caused the doctor to say what she allegedly said. I do believe if the doctor said something negative to the Palestinian woman, than she was likely provoked.

  31. Hi,

    Thank your sharing your report with us. I am just curious why the other papers are not correcting their original reports or other reports not discussing how this Dr. lied about what happened and was indeed the instigator?

    Please advise….its very disconcerting this whole story whichever way we look at it.

  32. I knew that there was more to this story.. Her motor mouth as John says got her in trouble, not being Jewish. She is using the racial card as a excuse and to start trouble. Vindictive comes to mind here. What occurred before the flight attendants came into play has nothing to do with why she got kicked off. If she kept her mouth shut and complied with the inflight crew she would have been on that flight. She chose to ignore the requests of the Inflight, CRO and Dr. Rosenberg mentioned that the passenger in 9C had explosives and will blow up the plane. Are you kidding me?? She was a risk and a safety issue to the flight and all it’s passengers at that point. They had no other recourse than to escort her out. Also I just want to add that passengers on that flight were witness to this. Not one objection to her being escorted out. Hence here is that the Doctor is a liar and very pissed. She played this well she should become a politician. She would fit right in.

  33. An individual has a private phone conversation and someone decided to tell the individual having the conversation something negative related to the conversation. The someone should have done what any normal, intelligent person would have done and that is to keep her mouth shut.

  34. So many Zionist trolls on this post! How much does the Israeli government pay you trolls to spread your propaganda, hmm? Or do you do it out of loyalty and duty to your illegal apartheid state? Well, keep trolling, the world -Jews and gentiles alike, are opening their eyes and seeing Israel for the war criminal she is!

  35. Think it through flying fish. What are the odds Rosenberg went off without a reason. You know as well as anybody, that the initial incitor in almost any incident is rarely caught. I am not defending Rosenberg’s apparently over the top response, but to suggest that the witnesses saw the start of the incident is naive and does a disservice to everybody. If the Palestinian woman backed off, and Rosenberg did not listen to the crew, then the decision was correct. However, please do not make up garbage and even dare to suggest that this started unprovoked. That just makes you a spin doctor, which is your job, as you readily admit to, or just a plain liar.

  36. Based on half the facts, and not knowing any others, you came to a conclusion. That is smart.

  37. Dear vicky,

    You sound like a swell lady. But you’re spouting horseshit. Please stop airing your laundry in public. If you’re any indication of what other people are like, then I’m liable to be held responsible for your words at some point. So, I’m compelled to defend myself and tell you off for the most hate-filled, bilious dreck on the internet today AND I’VE SPENT YEARS ON 4CHAN.

    I’d like to imagine I can make that judgment now, if not for the lot of us Jews, then at least for me.

    You owe us an apology.

  38. I don’t care who started it. Dr. Rosenberg’s actions were what caused her to be removed. She was the one overreacting and ranting, not the woman in 9C. Even if the woman in 9C said something insulting, she should have enough self-control not to fly off into a tirade accusing her of having explosives and being a child murderer. It was for that behavior that she was removed. Notice that Dr. Rosenberg slandered this woman without any proof in front of witness, and she did not react the way Dr. Rosenberg did. Jet Blue removed her because she was acting inappropriately and would not stop, not because she was Jewish.

  39. Dave,

    It is based on multiple reports, so it is not half the facts.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  40. SWP,

    There was no independent report of the woman in 9C making any contact with Dr. Rosenberg, this includes the fellow passengers around Dr. Rosenberg , who sought out a flight attendant because they believed Dr. Rosenberg’s actions and behaviours were of concern. The only report we have of the woman in 9C making contact with Dr. Rosenberg is from herself.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  41. Murray,

    While Dr. Rosenberg states he woman in 9C made comments to her, and threatened her, no other passengers onboard saw this or heard this. Those in close proximity to Dr. Rosenberg only reported her actions. These are multiple unrelated people, who were not traveling with the woman in 9C or Dr. Rosenberg.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  42. Nancy,

    At the time I wrote this post I had exclusive access to multiple internal crew reports from within Jetblue. To the best of my knowledge while one or two other news outlets may have obtained the final crew report no one else has had access to the initial crew report as well as the final crew report.

    Airline crew reports are not released to the public for a variety of reasons.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  43. Emma,

    The internal crew reports were read in their entirety and then verified through sources of mine. I have been covering aviation security for more than a decade and this incident, as appalling as it is for a few reasons to me falls under aviation security, wwhich is why I chose to dig into it.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  44. Patrick,

    A person you don’t really know called JetBlue and asked what? The airline is not discussing it, all the airline will confirm is that Dr. Rosenberg was removed from the aircraft.

    Is your friend an industry journalist who knows where and how to get the information?

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  45. pkbrando,

    Two crew reports and multiple passengers on board the aircraft have the same recollection. Maybe minor details differ, but not one of them, including the passengers on board in close proximity to Dr. Rosenberg, saw any interaction from the woman in 9C towards Dr. Rosenberg, certainly they did not see the woman in 9C threaten her as she reported.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  46. Hey Tzvi if that is your real name please don’t use foul language. Whatever I said is a true. I don’t see how I was airing dirt laundry. Your post makes no sense. U don’t seem offended by the post re zionist trolls. I see I am dealing with a bunch of haters here . Were there not 89 killed in Afganadtin today? 30 people mowed down in a brothel in Iraq??? Go over and help them out to show that u r really a swell guy too

  47. “Were there not 89 killed in Afganadtin today? 30 people mowed down in a brothel in Iraq???”

    What has any of that got to do with the topic of this post? (Other than to expose your prejudices). And where is Afganadtin? My geography is pretty good and I’ve never heard of it.

    Vicky, you hate Muslims. And everything you write here is based on that. That’s your starting point.

  48. I will not believe any of your comments re. report until officially released by Jet Blue and even then if the flight attendant was not present at the beginning of the altercation how can they comment on this. You do not appear to have any cridentials to prove you have inded seen this report. If you are so sure and are official, give it to the papers or publish on here….no? I thought not!! It will be interesting if they release an official report to hear what witnesses really say and if the Doctor is correct, I would sue, which is probably why they have not released their report!!!!

  49. Jan

    You are welcome to believe anything you want. You are also welcome to believe I have repeatedly covered aviation security stories where I have published and written about SSI and Classified government security directives, at times before they were released within the agency or even acknowledged by the agency … you know what is easier than getting a DHS or TSA Classified or SSI document? An Airline internal crew report.

    I appreciate your complete lack of ability to even scroll through the blog back a few days where I did just what I described and have been doing for years.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  50. So Fish?

    He said she said.

    I will wait for the full story to come out and then of course perhaps someone even took a video of what happened on their cel phone.

  51. For just a moment, let’s say that what happened before the flight attendant’s arrival was nasty Let’s assume the Palestinian Woman provoked her horribly. Dr. Rosenbloom had a choice. She could lower herself to respond, or she could rise above it and shut up. She didn’t shut up. By all accounts, she escalated, to a point that she was interfering with the airline, throwing out false accusations of a bomb, and making a lot of people extremely insecure. What was the Palestinian Woman doing? She also had a choice. She could continue her (assumed) nastiness, or she could shut up. She chose to shut up. It was the doctor who could not control herself. For that reason, and that alone, she was removed. Her faith had nothing to do with it. It was the consequenceof her choices.s

  52. Seriously guys don’t believe anything. i can point towards 5 sites that say the Palestinian women was right and 5 sites saying the jewish women was right. whoever crys loudest gets the media attention. Personally i am a supporter of israel and i condemn the hamas rocket fire. Israel has no choice but to defend itself and its citizens.

  53. My money is on Fish!

  54. Joe,

    How is your view of Israel vs Hamas relevant here?

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  55. Thank you Barbara

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  56. I am not a Jew nor a Muslim. It is sad that the discrimination from both sides is getting out of control. I do not understand the folks commenting here BTW. You may be, very well, Jewish and I respect that fact. But just because some restless Jewish woman was kicked from an aircraft because of her inappropriate behavior should not be taken as if it was against to all Jews. She is only responsible for her own behavior and she is not representing her Jewish community. So please calm down. Furthermore, I do not buy the statement that “before the flight attendants arrived”. We all know that the first people to board and meet everybody else with a big smile are the flight attendants. There is no such a thing that crew boards after the passengers. Just accept the fact that this woman was way too emotional and was not able to control her anger and hate. Her being a doctor doesn’t change anything if it does not make it look even worse. I hope she got her lesson.

  57. Its interesting how in a post this is even mildly critical of someone who happens to be Israeli or Jewish, all the internet trolls converge to rip the author to shreds. There are people who have commented that Arabs are taught to hate jews ‘from the womb’. That’s an idiotic comment. Firstly because, Arabs and jews are not mutually exclusive. While it is often positioned as us vs them, it really isn’t. Secondly, muslim arabs and jews have lived peacefully for centuries and continue to do so outside of the Arab world. In the popular American narrative, the Arab is always at fault as anyone of Jewish origin can do no wrong, and yet we see that militancy and aggression is often directed towards Arabic population not the other way round.

    Thanks for calling a spade a spade. Anyone behaving inappropriate needs to be dealt with regardless of class, creed, religion or ethnicity.

  58. Asians are the Master Race.

    Jews, Arabs, whites, blacks, Indians and Hispanics are all inferior races.

  59. Thank you for posting this and telling it as it is. Hate is hate, whoever it arises from. The passenger that was kicked off the plane clearly demonstrated hatred to another human being, and her actions should not be tolerated in this day and age.

  60. Thank you flyingfish!
    I’m writing this because I am the woman in 9C and if you need me to fax you my boarding pass , I’ll be happy to do so.
    Many people on this post are wondering what happened before the Flight Attendant arrived at the so called “altercation”, which actually took only a few seconds.
    While we were waiting to board the plane , Dr. Rosenberg was ranting in a extremely loud voice on her cell phone about the situation in Israel and saying very disparaging remarks about Palestinians. This very loud phone conversation went on about 10- 15 minutes and continued when we got on the plane.
    I did approach Dr. Rosenberg and very quietly told her I’m Palestinian and her ranting was very offensive. I returned to my seat and suddenly Dr. Rosenberg began approaching me screaming vile epithets . I never called her any ethnic or religious slurs which she accused me of in the media. In fact , a passenger came forward on a blog and called me “older and meek”. Within seconds the Flight Attendant approached .
    I only wish someone did videotape this with their phone so people would be able to witness the event.
    There is only one victim here: JetBlue , who has been unfairly maligned and slandered.

  61. Dear Vicky,

    Just because I can string four letters together and use a socially unacceptable word, does not make it any more foul than your own language. You cannot be defending yourself against haters, because the evidence of your own words makes You the biggest hater in this thread. These things you call “facts” which you’re presenting to the rest of us, like a child proudly displaying its own feces, are only your own experiences, cherry-picked from a failing memory to justify your unrepentant and hateful conclusions.

    Let me reiterate: I am telling you these things out of self-defense, as well as moral outrage. I do not want to be associated with you in any respect, and yet your speech can *still* be used to cast aspersions on the rest of us, as you’re currently allowing your own judgements to do of “all arabs”.

    So please, apologize for your comments. It’s not the least you could do to make the world a better place for everyone, but it’s a much better start.

  62. Fish,
    I don’t know, of course, how things wen down prior or during etc. But reading through your comments you yourself appear extremely biased.

  63. When it comes to JetBlue’s perspective, people need to look past the race issue. Think of it as two generic people (no race, religion, etc. attached) having an argument. Flight attendant comes up, it doesn’t matter who started it, but right now one person is continuing it, and after the flight attendant tells that person to please calm down, the person falsely insinuates the other is trying to blow up the plane with explosives in her bag.

    At that point, that person loses the argument. Again, race and religion have nothing to do with JetBlue’s decision. One person wouldn’t calm down when told to and then made a bomb threat, which would make other passengers nervous and is reason to be thrown off of the plane.

  64. Sounds like she got kicked off for a good reason.

    The one thing I can see that the other women did wrong was approach her in the first place. Why would you walk up to a women, because she is Jewish, identify yourself as a Palestinian, and then start the confrontation?

    This was going bad from the start. Emotions took over from that point.

  65. Poor Palestinian… I almost cried reading the article… Internal investigation and so on… Such BS! Jet Blue crew against one woman….
    I know one thing from now on: no more flights with Jet Blue!

  66. Thank you. When this story came out it smelled “fishy”. There’s just no way JetBlue would take such one sided action with an aircraft full of witnesses. If so much were true the good doctor would be searching for passengers who witnessed this wrong doing. Thank you! And for all of the readers out there, before you start speculations, I am a Jew. An Israeli, right wing, who values ALL human beings and life, who HATES racism. Never judge a book by its cover! THANK YOU FISH!!!

  67. Just curious, why did you take offense at Vicky’s post and single her out for a lecture, but let Mary’s comment slide? I would think Mary needs to expand her horizons and meet new people as well. It probably has something to do with you being an expert and knowing everything, but who knows…

  68. William,

    What did Mary say that I missed? The upside, thank you for taking the time to read all the comments.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  69. VICKY says:

    “Why are you so quick to side with the palestenian? ? Where did you get all your facts? Did you speak with Dr. Rosenberg? The Palestenian woman? I fly a lot and it is downright NAUSEATING how the airline crews are always SO OVERLY accomadating to the MUSLIMS DRESSSED IN THEIR SCARY Muslim garb”

    Scary garb? Really? If you are judging people based on their “scary garb”, I think you are very mucch a part of the problem…

  70. So Boba,

    Let me get this straight, a woman verbally accosts a Palestinian woman, ignores instructions from a flight attendant and complaint resolution official, then makes a false statement of another passenger having explosives , leading to her removal with the approval of the captain … and you’re done flying Jetblue?

    Well, that is well reasoned logic.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  71. Dina,

    How am I extremely biased? I am biased based on reading multiple internal reports, both filed prior to Dr. Rosenberg’s statements being made public?

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  72. JK,

    Thank you for bringing your side of the situation to light. I appreciate you taking the time to come forward, it is appreciated.

    Happy Flying … hopefully with less stress next time.

    -Fish

  73. Utterly fantastic post. I can’t believe this woman who is a doctor is lying like this.

    She should be sued as she is slandering an airline and a liar.

    As a Jew, I am ashamed of Dr. Rosenberg.

  74. After reading the post from the passenger in question 9C I am even more angry that the Doctor has created such animosity amongst people. She went public and lied all because she was escorted out and I bet the Doctor is not use to this type of treatment.. So she goes and gets people all riled up and now when the press are questioning her statement and there are rebuttals to it she has obtained an attorney and will not answer questions.. I think she is smart to get a attorney because if all this is true with evidence/reports/passenger statements then JB should sue her for the mess she started and ban her from flying them.. For those of you who prefer to turn a blind eye and not want to hear the truth I say don’t fly this airline go somewhere else.. I am sure the company after reading many of your posts may question if a no fly list should include all of you who condemn without warrant.

  75. Since 9/11, there isn’t a Jewish or Christian man or woman with a brain who gets on a plane and doesn’t suspect every muslim passenger of being a possible problem.

  76. Flyingfish,

    Thanks for posting this information. I wish more news outlets covered it the way that you did, and thank you for your continued contribution to aviation. As a Muslim, I couldn’t agree with you more. We’re all in this together. Ignorance and tyranny, no matter who or where, are our common enemy. It’s about people, not about politics or religion.

    And to respond to some of the comments here: what does being Muslim or Jewish have anything to do with this? That’s irrelevant. I’m Muslim and I fly. Does that make me “scary?” I’ve been in more cockpits than most people can count. So what? Does that make me a terrorist? Does that make it such that every time there is an incident, I have to be suspected first before anyone else just like the Palestinian woman in this altercation?

    It’s not religion or politics that drive people crazy. It’s people that drive people crazy. Conflicts aren’t started by religion or even politics. They’re started by people. When you look into them, you realize that it’s people going after their own goals; religious or political conviction and justification are nothing more than means to a limited and unjustified personal end.

    We’re smarter than that, and as Flyingfish said, we’re all in this together.

    Now let’s go have some falaffels and hummus and go plane spotting.

  77. AviatorGuy,

    Great, now I want some halal shawarma … thanks for making me hungry ;0)

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  78. FF,

    As a Jewish guy, who has spent a lot of time flying, including in the MidEast, I would have to disagree with you.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  79. FF says

    “Since 9/11, there isn’t a Jewish or Christian man or woman with a brain who gets on a plane and doesn’t suspect every muslim passenger of being a possible problem.”

    Speak for yourself. You certainly don’t speak for me. I am sick of intrusive “security” and it’s people like you who make things easy for those who want to bring in more and more restrictive regulations. More and more intrusive laws.
    You really need to cop yourself on. Every Arab or Muslim in the world is not out to “get you”.

  80. Vicky

    Quite apart from the famous Imam of the Paris mosque who put his own life repeatedly at risk by providing fake Muslim IDs for French Jews destined for gassing, the number of Muslims who gave their lives for Britain fighting Hitler in the second World War (which I guess you would say was defending Jews) was sufficient that Churchill made it a War Cabinet priority during the Battle of Britain to set aside money to build London’s first proper mosque. Oh, and Field Marshal Montgomery reckoned he couldn’t have defeated Rommel without the thousands of Muslims in his army. So take your nasty racism and your paranoid fear of people who dress differently from you, and shove it. Oh, and please, if you want to get attitudinal like the lying Rosenberg MD on a flight I’m on, expect to be put off it. Have a nice day.

  81. why do people read blogs anyway

  82. Steven,
    So glad the Palestinian lady wrote in and told her side of the story. If the situation unfolded as the lady in 9C says it did, like you Nancy, I am very upset with Dr. Rosenberg.

  83. Listen you muppets who keep saying Arabs are anti Semitic. Arabs are as Semitic as Israelites. Stop distorting facts as one can not be anti self

  84. Chaim ben Mordechai

    Wow…I see Frischling is a self-hating kike. Siding with the Palestinkians agaisnt a fellow Jew

    Shande fur de goyim, that’s you, Frischling.

    NEVER AGAIN!

  85. Chaim ben Mordechai,

    First off, how could you possibly use the term kike? Secondly, how did I side with a Palestinian? I sided with the airline’s decision to remove Dr. Lisa Rosenberg after se repeatedly failed to obey instructions from a Flight Attendant, then a Complaint Resolution Official, then proceeded to imply a fellow passenger had brought a bomb on board and intended to blow it up. She should have ended up met by the JTTF rather than just escorted out by the Sheriff’s Office.

    The brokh here is that ameratses continually comes to the forefront. Chaim yankels such as yourself and Dr. Rosenberg make this world a more troubling place. Talking to you eingeshparht people is impossible and you end up making everything farcockt.

    Why don’t you gay avek and gai kukken afen yam you drek.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  86. Flying Fish,

    Just wanted to say “thank you” for posting this information. I was actually searching for more information about the incident because the article being circulated on Facebook didn’t add up. After reading your article and the comments, I feel like I have a better sense of what happened and I have linked your blog post to places where I’ve seen other versions posted.

    Jim

  87. Well Mr. Steve,

    We read blogs to be informed. This blog is generally a niche’ blog focused on aviation and transportation security. Sure I cover other topics along the way, but the focus is my area of expertise covering a topic I have covered as a professional journalist since 2001

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  88. “Since 9/11, there isn’t a Jewish or Christian man or woman with a brain who gets on a plane and doesn’t suspect every muslim passenger of being a possible problem”

    FF,

    I think you are speaking on your behalf. I am a proud Christian and my church never teaches me to judge people the way you do. It is heart breaking that you people are trying to discriminate an entire religion and its followers. When I was diagnosed cancer, my doctor was a Turkish woman who probably looks more Western than any Christian or Jewish in the West. She saved my life not with only her knowledge but with her love. And she has always been generous to our church with the youth programs although she was not a Christian. If we need to discuss and discriminate people by their dressing and appearance, we might talk about Orthodox Jews or the Amish as well. But this would not be right.
    God bless your hearts.

  89. Rachel,

    I never said what you are quoting me as saying. You are quoting a commenter on this blog post who I completely disagreed with and quite frankly I found the personally offensive.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  90. FF was the “name” the commenter used. Not yours, Fish.

    Happy day,

  91. I know someone who was on that plane and the Palestinian passenger started it by screaming at her–“Zionist pig.” Of course you begin the story with Dr. Rosenberg’s response, as if that was the beginning of the incident.

    That is like looking at Hiroshima and saying that America murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese. What about Pearl Harbor. Anti-Israel and antisemites do this al the time–they look at Israel’s response to terrorism as if Israel acted first.

    That is immoral and so is the way this story is presented.

  92. Irwin,

    Two things
    1) Please have the person you know who was on board the flight contact me directly and send me a copy of their boarding pass that I can validate. I have heard from ground staff at the airline, and read statements from others present at the scene I can validate and none of them are aware of any out bursts from the woman in 9C towards Dr. Rosenberg. The only ones who have made statements of an outburst or anything inflamatory by the woman in 9C, aside from Dr. Rosenberg are people who are unable to prove in any way they are on the aircraft or even at the airport.

    2) Dr. Rosenberg was removed for failure to obey direct instruction from the flight attendant and complaint resolution official. Once Dr. Rosenberg stated the woman in 9C had an explosive and that she intended to blow up the aircraft she needed to be immediately removed from the aircraft. Her statements about a bomb being on board should have been met not by a mere escort out of the airport by the Sheriff Office, but by a questioning by the JTTF.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  93. Well, I’m glad Flyingfish can at least be objective, unlike some here.

    Just google Dr. Lisa Rosenberg, Fresh Meadows, NY and read the comments left by her patients on the doctor review sites. She’s got a screw loose people. And no amount of conjecturing will paint a scenario where the Palestinian woman was just as combative and obnoxious.

    These b.s. seeds implanted in you whereby if a Jew did something wrong, it HAS to mean the Palestinian did something wrong – is one of the very reasons peace in the Middle East will never happen. There are jerks from every ethnic/racial group – and it doesn’t denigrate the entire group to say so.

    Except in defensive little minds.

  94. the palestinian called the doctor an ‘zionist pig’ first. thats when she lost it, and took it too far. if someone called me that i would go crazy too. at the end both should of been kicked off.

  95. I have been reading this and am still quite alarmed that a woman who considers herself intelligent, (Vicki), considers, a veil covering everything but two eyes to be “scary”. Unfortunately, we seldom get the whole truth. We get two sides of truth in stories like this. We get a side and a side, and somewhere in between is that full story. Is there some prejudice here? Likely. It is likely on both sides. I grew up in the Middle East, and never learned of the existence of Israel until I came back to the United States and found out that it wasn’t Palestine below Lebanon according to the rest of the world. To say that Muslims are responsible for the terror in the world is to do an injustice to 99% of those people. Zealotry exists in every religion. Sadly, so does ignorance. Both need education to be eradicated.

  96. Good post, FlyingFish.

    Dr. Rosenberg has proven by her actions that she is socially clueless as well as a racist blabbermouth who cries wolf.

    She appears to be one of those inconsiderate boors who blabber loudly on their cellphones before take-off, with half the cabin held hostage by their voice.

    Worse, she was engaged in a contentious political conversation, in an enclosed, intimate area, within earshot of strangers.

    Obstetrician? She was born in a barn.

  97. […] Frischling, a professional traveler, then reported the incident in a thorough manner based on leaked […]

  98. Now, if someone could have debbie schlussel update her hate filled blog post, all would be right in the world…

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/73214/jetblue-removes-pro-israel-jews-after-palestinian-complains-hamasair

    Doubt she will though…

  99. Steve, thanks for your investigative reporting that casts a shadow
    on flamethrowers like Debbie Schlussel Esq., who consistently manipulates
    a story to fit her “victim psyche”.
    If a jewess is batshit crazy, her advanced degrees and professional stature should not shield her from repercussion and consequences.
    Dr. Rosenberg needs to spend more time in the mikveh and fly exclusively El-Al.

  100. What’s the matter Fish?

    Afraid of that big mouth bleached blonde shysterblogger Schlussel.

  101. Jay,

    I wish I had some idea of what you were talking about.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  102. Claire,

    Based on multiple crew reports, having spoken with a Jetblue ground staffer based at PBI and other information, no one heard or witnessed any such interaction from the woman in 9C towards Dr. Rosenberg. So I am not taking the word of the woman in 9C, I am taking the words of multiple unrelated people who are not affiliated with either the woman in 9C or Dr. Rosenberg, and the Jetblue official reports were all filed prior to the story being released by the Palm Beach Post.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  103. Fish, you are either lying or clueless. I am sure Rosenberg should have been thrown off the plane. Witness reports are useless. Nobody ever sees the first act. Just like in a sporting event, the first foul never gets a flag. Rosenberg is certainly wrong, but the odds that this was not due to the other woman reacting to the phone conversation, which was none of her business to begin with, is probably near zero. So, please stop lying here and admit that you cannot possibly have the whole story. It is entirely b possible that the Arab woman should not have been thrown off if v she b listened to the crew and backed down. I agree with that. But you are falsely and b dangerously making things up and b placing all the blame on the person who did not start the conflagration.

  104. Steve,

    The fact of the matter is this. Dr. Rosenberg was removed from the flight because she alone failed to obey direct instructions from the flight attendant and then the complaint resolution official. Dr. Rosenberg alone than made statements on board an aircraft regarding a bomb being on board and followed that statement that the aircraft would be blown up.

    Dr. Rosenberg’s actions and statements required that she be removed from the aircraft for the safety, comfort and security of other people on board. Given she made unfounded statements regarding both an explosive being on board and of the aircraft being blown up she should have been met and questioned by the JTTF. She got off easy with a simple escort out by the PBSO.

    I’ll tell you what I tell my kids, if someone says something to you, especially someone you don’t know and has no impact on your life, keep your mouth shut and just keep walking. Its not worth the stress.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  105. Instead of implying I said I wrote something that I didn’t, why don’t you just admit that you are acting as judge, jury and hangman without any evidence. Like I said above, of you bothered to read it, Rosenberg probably deserved to get thrown off and if the Arsb woman listened to the v crew, they may have been justified in not removing her from the plane. What I an saying is to stop lying about the witness stuff. Nobody sees the first act. Rosenberg was almost certainly provoked. That does not change whether or not sure should have been removed. Bit you continue to lie and commit character assassination by implying that the doctor went crazy for no n reason at all. Do not be stupid and do not lie. Admit that there is no way to know what happened, that most likely the Arab woman said something like the Zionist pig statement, and leave it be. Either that, or continue to lie and prove that you are a fool and a pawn for anti-semites.

  106. Fish,

    If you don’t mind, I’d like for you to take a moment and respond to Danny’s comment (21). you seemed to have missed it along with Mary’s (34).

    Thank you for providing a platform for a great discussion. More interested in the comments than the report ;)

  107. swp,

    You, like Dr. Rosenberg, are mistaken about there being nobody to witness the “first act.” Myles Kobren, the person on the phone with Rosenberg, was able to hear the beginning of the conversation between Dr. Rosenberg and the woman in 9C *BEFORE* the phone disconnected. Kobren’s account to the media proves Dr. Rosenberg lied about being provoked by being called a Zionist pig. He heard the woman in 9C say she found Rosenberg’s comments offensive right after she identified herself as Palestinian.

    But Kobren’s account contradicts Rosenberg’s story. Dr. Rosenberg claimed the woman in 9C started cursing and said “Zionist pig. This is only the beginning” right after identifying herself as Palestinian.

    Remember that Kobren is Dr. Rosenberg’s friend. If he were biased, it would be in favor of Rosenberg. So the fact that his account contradicts Rosenberg’s is damning. His account actually lines up with the Palestinian woman’s account, so we know that the Palestinian woman told the truth and that Rosenberg was lying.

    Dr. Rosenberg told the media the Palestinian passenger approached her *AFTER* the phone disconnected. This mistake explains why she thought she could get away with lying about being cursed at and called a “Zionist pig.” She didn’t realize that her friend Kobren was still on the phone and there to witness the real conversation. Had Rosenberg known he was listening, she would have been more careful with her lies.

    So Rosenberg lied about being cursed at and called a “Zionist pig.” In reality, she was just told that her comments were offensive. If she were legitimately provoked by the Palestinian passenger, she wouldn’t have had to fabricate anything. She would have been able to tell the truth and it would have lined up with Kobren’s account.

  108. […] Airline confidence blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  109. […] Airline security blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  110. […] Airline security blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  111. […] Airline security blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  112. […] Airline security blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  113. The NY Daily News is reporting that the
    Palestinian woman reacted to a private
    phone call of the Dr., where the Dr.
    praised Israel for its response to the
    Palestinian rockets. Now, either the
    NY Daily News is lying and an incompetent
    journalistic source, with fake sources, or
    you are incompetent as a journalist and a
    Jew. Seems anyone can post anything on
    your blog just by typing in a little box.
    You are a fool.

  114. Dear Chayim Yankel,

    As far as I know, I am the only person outside of Jetblue to see the internal crew reports, and I am the only one to speak with an airline ground staffer from PBI. Now, if you wanted to call Jetblue they will verify everything I have written on this blog regarding this incident.

    Also … with a name like Chayim Yankel it is clearly obvious why you sound like a yutz.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  115. Steve, it’s ironic that you get notoriety out of this story while the media whores Rosenberg and Schlussel LLC. are exposed like rotting dead fish.
    Israel and the IDF have enough problems rooting out the vermin in their
    tunnels, and can do without meshuganas like these two, giving Jews bad press.

  116. Jay,

    I don’t believe I got any notoriety out of this story, I am covering a story I would have normally covered. I’d rather get the larger audiences for the more important stories that I cover on aviation security. In the scheme of things and what is going on in the world in which I cover, this story is a blip and I can’t believe it really gained any traction.

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  117. That makes no sense at all. Calls disconnect or they don’t. He did not hear because it happened after. The b question anyway is b what did v Rosenberg say that v hit the other woman upset. If she was v praising Israel for its handling of the horrible murder of the Arab ten, and comparing it to the animals killing the Israeli boys, then unless the Arsb woman wanted to praise Israel too, she was of base. And if b she did not like the restrained and totally humane Israeli actions in Gaza, then she is a piece of garbage. That does not make Rosenberg’s behavior acceptable, by I am not sure why I should even believe a word u have written since you keep pulling a fact one at a time as you need to invent them. Please remember, I believe the woman should have been thrown off, but I don’t n understand your need for b character assassination.

  118. […] Airline confidence blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  119. Steve,

    I have no idea what you are talking about. At what point did I get involved in character assassination?

    Happy Flying!

    -Fish

  120. Steve,

    If Dr. Rosenberg would spend her time, examining knish, instead of
    having a volatile public conversation amongst airline passengers, she
    wouldn’t be portrayed and treated as the putz that she is.

  121. Fish,

    Please read my previous comment (107), which Steve was referring to.

    swp,

    It makes perfect sense. The call disconnected, but *AFTER* the passenger in 9C said “I’m Palestinian and am offended by your racist comments.” Rosenberg’s friend on the phone, Myles Kobren, confirms this is what happened.

    According to Rosenberg, the passenger in 9C said “I’m a Palestinian. Zionist pig, this is just the beginning.” So we know Rosenberg was lying to the media about being called a Zionist pig. She thought she could get away with her lie because she thought that the Palestinian passenger approached her after the phone call disconnected. She didn’t realize that Kobren could still hear what the Palestinian passenger actually said.

    Here’s my source for Rosenberg’s belief that the phone had already disconnected and her claim that the Palestinian passenger said “I’m a Palestinian. Zionist pig, this is just the beginning”:

    http://www.wpbf.com/news/jewish-woman-says-racism-to-blame-for-her-removal-from-plane/26893076

    She herself told the media, so I didn’t invent any facts there.

    And here’s my source for Kobren hearing what the Palestinian passenger actually said before the phone disconnected:

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-kicked-off-plane-at-pbia-after-argument-abou/ngctz/

    He himself told the media, so I didn’t invent any facts there either.

    Kobren is Rosenberg’s friend, not the Palestinian passenger’s. If he were biased, he would have lied to benefit Rosenberg and himself. But his account lines up with the Palestinian passenger’s account. So we know the Palestinian passenger told the truth and that Dr. Rosenberg lied.

    So Dr. Rosenberg was the one who invented facts and needed to use character assassination.

  122. I am not saying I support Rosenberg here, but since this is a flying blog, we might ask, in the history of passenger air travel, how many aircraft have been brought down by Zionists? How many have been brought down by Islamists and other random Palestinian sympathizers? I don’t “have anything against” Palestinians and their friends, except for all the airplanes they bring down. I would have definitely kicked Rosenberg off the flight, but Jetblue ought to be a little more sensitive to their customer base on the Palm Beach to JFK flight.

  123. Well, you just called her a putz. And if v some moron has a problem with truth, that is their problem. If Rosenberg was merely saying that Hamas are animals. That the joy over the murder of the Israeli boys was disgusting and that Israel had been exemplary recently, then if the other woman had a problem, then she v was clearly as much of an idiot as anybody. If c somebody complained about my having a conversation like that ib would tell them to take a long walk on a short pier and would have called her out as being a blind idiot, or an anti Semite. I just would not have gotten myself thrown off a plane. I am a moderate to liberal, but I have no patience for anybody that supports that animals that are the true cause of every single death in Gaza, Hamas.

  124. Steve, I hope the IDF roots out every member of Hamas and their enablers and sends them to the darkest place in Hell.
    But, as a matter of course, when in the civilized, para-military confines of an airline, don’t you think it would be wise to keep your opinions out of the earshot of others when they are indiscreet and may inflame.
    The loudmouth should have kept her pig lips closed, end of story.

  125. […] Airline confidence blogger Steven Frischling also posted excerpts on his flyingwithfish.com website. […]

  126. Ike af Carlstèn

    Well Done! Cabin Crew of this flight showed exellent skills!

  127. Just Google the doctor and read her reviews yourself. She should even be barred from practicing medicine.

  128. In short, no. Not if what she v said was reasonable. I take public transportation ask the time and discuss similar items and I know people disagree. The v only time anybody had said anything to me was if that agree. And I have heard people say very controversial things and never heard responses, but see people unhappy. So as you have now proven. It was the other woman who started, eben if Rosenberg’s response was wrong. Thanks for helping me prove you have been totally biased. Calling Rosenberg a pig helps to.

  129. Everyone should read the highly interesting comments here, especially the ones by Flying Fish, Vickie and Danny. The care with which Danny defends Vickie against Flyfish is pretty amazing; we should suspect he is a lawyer dispatched to this site by hasbara central to take down Flying Fish, who had the temerity to defend the Palestinian passenger. In a few lines, Flying Fish dismantled the argument and revealed the motivations of Vicky, who claims to be a personal friend of Dr. Rosenberg [more likely Dr. Rosenberg herself, maybe Danny is her husband?]

    Danny tries to distract our attention from the real argument by knocking over the straw man he constructs, in which the Palestinian said nothing to the Jewish woman to initiate the confrontation. He does this to damage the credibility of Flying Fish, and to set up his next premise, that whatever was said to the Jewish woman by the Palestinian woman was so disturbing that the Jewish woman experienced a kind of momentary PTSD and is not responsible for the utterances next to come out of her mouth.

    What a slick, venal operation defenders of zionism maintain, patroling the internet to identify and ameliorate events they deem Bad for the Jews. But the cumulative action of these episodes in the global community’s conciousness must express itself (see:Kristalnacht)

    Hang on, folks. It appears the chosen folk have acheived the penultimate stage in their recurring psychodrama. Their cultural conditioning has predisposed them to spontaneously organize world-killing events that reset our civilization, clearing the way for the next epoch. The rest of are here just to watch their movie and pick up the pieces when it all goes to shit.

  130. RE: # 34 Mary…”So many Zionist trolls on this post! How much does the Israeli government pay you trolls to spread your propaganda, hmm? Or do you do it out of loyalty and duty to your illegal apartheid state? Well, keep trolling, the world -Jews and gentiles alike, are opening their eyes and seeing Israel for the war criminal she is!

    IS THAT IT MARY?
    This story could be about the Israeli’s setting up Field Hospitals for the Palestinians who are injured…it wouldn’t matter…the Racist’s like Mary crawl out of their Rat Holes and drop their sheets for a minute…just long enough to spew some pea soup out!!!

  131. One thing interests me. If Dr Rosenberg was berated/threatened for being Jewish before losing her cool, how did a passenger sitting 2 rows away know that? Apart from the occasional wig (in itself hardly unique to Jewish women) I can’t think of any obvious way to differentiate her as a Jew. Unlike many Moslem women (not all), Jewish women do not wear easily recognisable clothing, do they?

  132. Ike af Carlstèn

    Yes, Martin, sorry to make you dissapointed, but the jewish women, not all of them, do wear easily recognisable clothing as well symbols.

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